JAMES GRAHAM I began writing it at the beginning of 2016, but even before Brexit and Trumpâs election, I was interested in the way our news discourse was changing online and through social media. The more aggressive populist language of journalism there made me think about the aggressive populist tone that started with The Sun.
I was fascinated by these two characters: Rupert Murdoch, who feels very present in our cultural life, and Larry Lamb, expunged from history despite his influence in changing the voice of popular discourse. But I also had a wider desire to understand the tabloid appeal, and its wider effect on our political life. And then, itâs just a damn good story!
What you canât deny is what was in the air: The national mood, the temperature of the country, and particularly the language â the tone of conversation in the media, social media, at the pub.
The presentation of the young Murdoch is very evenhanded. Did you discover aspects of his character that went against expectations?
BERTIE CARVEL I donât know what I had in mind before I came to the table. It was important to me not to decide who this guy was before it began. One of the things that emerged is that Murdoch was a visionary, a story perhaps suppressed by those who think he was an uncouth outsider who just wanted to wreck the shop.
GRAHAM The narrative that has been perpetuated is that we are somewhat sympathetic to Murdoch. I donât think itâs that. Itâs about understanding human motivation. I donât think people wake up and think, âHow can we make the world worse?â
CARVEL I think the play shows a bunch of themes and arguments that have huge resonance, and not just in Britain. Murdoch talks about giving people more choice, more freedom, and that sounds good, specially in opposition to a patrician we-know-whatâs-good-for-you. But when you track it through, you see where it may be problematic. Which is where we are now.
GRAHAM I would love to think this could be played in 50 yearsâ time and have different resonances. Itâs the universals of the human experiences that make it last; thatâs the stuff I had to go away and work harder on when I was writing.
To what extent do we live in Rupert Murdochâs world now? Do you think he knew where media culture was headed?
CARVEL The question is: Was it ever thus? Did tabloids shift peopleâs political allegiances or did they follow them? The idea that Rupert Murdoch can decide who your Prime Minister is â well, I think that even the people who wrote the famous 1992 headline, âItâs The Sun Wot Won It,â didnât think that was true. But you canât deny the impact of that journalism and those characters in terms of how we talk about ourselves and view ourselves today.
During the rehearsal period we had the general election, which no one had expected, and then a result that no one had expected. Afterward, we had to ask, has the influence of the tabloids diminished because they tried hard, but didnât succeed, in crushing Jeremy Corbyn? I think that by isolating a moment in history when the power of the tabloids was so great, and their influence so huge, audiences may have that conversation about whether that power is still the same.
There are often parallels drawn between Murdoch and Trump, who are famously friendly. James, did you think about that while writing?
GRAHAM I thought about Trump a lot during the latter stages of rehearsal. And also about British figures like Nigel Farage and Arron Banks. I am fascinated by populism and the contradiction, possibly even the hypocrisy, of the fact that itâs often men of great privilege and wealth who are the epitome of the establishment, who present themselves as anti-establishment and representative of working-class anger.
But I do think that what drove Rupert Murdoch was more than commercial interests. Like Trump, even though he was an insider, he felt like an outsider, that people humiliated him, mocked him. The anger that boiled within fueled the desire for revenge. But the Murdoch in my play is also driven by the desire to provide a voice to others who feel outside the system, because he had an understanding of what that feels like. Iâm not sure thatâs true for Trump.